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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Fred Collopy</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-544128</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I like the thoughts you're exploring here quite a lot. in response to the query about definitions that Patrick raised, I have found it is useful to think of definitions of design, designing, design thinking as &quot;stepping stones&quot; that help us move the conversation along, rather than straight jackets defining what is in and what is out. In that sense, the are perhaps not really definitions at all. But then language is like that, always begging to be more than it is at the moment.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I like the thoughts you&#8217;re exploring here quite a lot. in response to the query about definitions that Patrick raised, I have found it is useful to think of definitions of design, designing, design thinking as &#8220;stepping stones&#8221; that help us move the conversation along, rather than straight jackets defining what is in and what is out. In that sense, the are perhaps not really definitions at all. But then language is like that, always begging to be more than it is at the moment.</p>
	<p>Fred
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-504948</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RB - Thanks for your reply. One thing Design Thinking -- as a school of thought -- has done for me is introduce me to people like you. There's a lot of power and potential in our having connected around this topic. That's a peripheral benefit of DT -- that it brings people together to solve problems. Like you, I'm learning my way through this -- and perhaps we've struck on something... One thing that Design Thinking is NOT is an isolated solo exercise in unilateral decision making. It requires collaboration.

Lastly, I'm just glad to have found people who think the way I do. 

All my best. PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>RB - Thanks for your reply. One thing Design Thinking &#8212; as a school of thought &#8212; has done for me is introduce me to people like you. There&#8217;s a lot of power and potential in our having connected around this topic. That&#8217;s a peripheral benefit of DT &#8212; that it brings people together to solve problems. Like you, I&#8217;m learning my way through this &#8212; and perhaps we&#8217;ve struck on something&#8230; One thing that Design Thinking is NOT is an isolated solo exercise in unilateral decision making. It requires collaboration.</p>
	<p>Lastly, I&#8217;m just glad to have found people who think the way I do. </p>
	<p>All my best. PM
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Ralf Beuker</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-504875</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Patrick,

and thanks for dropping bye! Actually I do fully agree with your thoughts and ideas :-) Similar to you I don't see DT as something that can be nailed down to 'one' universal definition or to be discussed in terms of 'wrong/right' as I've said in my posting ... and yes the journey is the reward! What I'm sharing (and not teaching or preaching ;-) is my journey and I'm curious to see other journeys like yours. Hope to get back in touch soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Patrick,</p>
	<p>and thanks for dropping bye! Actually I do fully agree with your thoughts and ideas :-) Similar to you I don&#8217;t see DT as something that can be nailed down to &#8216;one&#8217; universal definition or to be discussed in terms of &#8216;wrong/right&#8217; as I&#8217;ve said in my posting &#8230; and yes the journey is the reward! What I&#8217;m sharing (and not teaching or preaching ;-) is my journey and I&#8217;m curious to see other journeys like yours. Hope to get back in touch soon!
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-504783</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-504783</guid>
					<description>Ralf, Thank you for your post. I also hope to contribute/participate in your Strategy/Brand project.

Design Thinking is a concept that I stumbled upon recently and speaks to the way I've approached nearly everything -- to the frustration of many around me.

I'm wondering though: Can Design Thinking be reduced to a heuristic? Or is it more dynamic, more fluid? Design thinking -- while the business community demands a definition -- is it more reasonable to see design thinking as a moving target? 

From what I've learned, design thinking cannot be pinned down to a single methodology. Aye, but you're the teacher and I'm the student. I would venture to say that DT is first and foremost personal and visceral. Do the ends provide the means? If the result is something that contains empathy...dare I say, shalom (not just peace, but also completeness)... then there's something there to suggest that the means must provide the end?

That's a ramble-full. Again, thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ralf, Thank you for your post. I also hope to contribute/participate in your Strategy/Brand project.</p>
	<p>Design Thinking is a concept that I stumbled upon recently and speaks to the way I&#8217;ve approached nearly everything &#8212; to the frustration of many around me.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m wondering though: Can Design Thinking be reduced to a heuristic? Or is it more dynamic, more fluid? Design thinking &#8212; while the business community demands a definition &#8212; is it more reasonable to see design thinking as a moving target? </p>
	<p>From what I&#8217;ve learned, design thinking cannot be pinned down to a single methodology. Aye, but you&#8217;re the teacher and I&#8217;m the student. I would venture to say that DT is first and foremost personal and visceral. Do the ends provide the means? If the result is something that contains empathy&#8230;dare I say, shalom (not just peace, but also completeness)&#8230; then there&#8217;s something there to suggest that the means must provide the end?</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s a ramble-full. Again, thanks for the post.
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Ralf Beuker</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-498269</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>@ Ellen: Thanks :-) You should have received my response in your mailbox by today.

@ Paula: Thanks for your contribution and challenging thoughts! I've checked some of your postings over at: http://www.fastforwardblog.com/ and found your elaborations on Visual Thinking highly interesting! We should definitively stay in touch on this and exchange ideas in the future!

@ Jens: Thanks for dropping bye after all this time. Seems ages since we've been in touch! Actually you're right, the posting is sort of 'wild' touching various things and issues, but I wouldn't be still blogging if I would stick to my otherwise 'German' attitude of making things 100% polished and ready to be delivered (but to whom am I talking to, you expatriate ;-)

@ Mike: Thanks for the mental support, as always, Mike! Hope you're also doing well now that your country seems to wake up from 8 years of ... well I lack the right words ... numbness?! Greetings to Iowa (where it all started :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@ Ellen: Thanks :-) You should have received my response in your mailbox by today.</p>
	<p>@ Paula: Thanks for your contribution and challenging thoughts! I&#8217;ve checked some of your postings over at: <a href='http://www.fastforwardblog.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fastforwardblog.com/</a> and found your elaborations on Visual Thinking highly interesting! We should definitively stay in touch on this and exchange ideas in the future!</p>
	<p>@ Jens: Thanks for dropping bye after all this time. Seems ages since we&#8217;ve been in touch! Actually you&#8217;re right, the posting is sort of &#8216;wild&#8217; touching various things and issues, but I wouldn&#8217;t be still blogging if I would stick to my otherwise &#8216;German&#8217; attitude of making things 100% polished and ready to be delivered (but to whom am I talking to, you expatriate ;-)</p>
	<p>@ Mike: Thanks for the mental support, as always, Mike! Hope you&#8217;re also doing well now that your country seems to wake up from 8 years of &#8230; well I lack the right words &#8230; numbness?! Greetings to Iowa (where it all started :-)
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Mike Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-497514</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ralf, I'm with Jens, great to see you standing right in the the middle of it all...again!

Keep creating...classes worth taking,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ralf, I&#8217;m with Jens, great to see you standing right in the the middle of it all&#8230;again!</p>
	<p>Keep creating&#8230;classes worth taking,<br />
Mike
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: jkh</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-496632</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>hey, mein lieber.

a slightly wild but enthusiastic compendium of valuable quotes, links and ideas which only prove: zollverein may be dead - but thinking and teaching design thinking is ferociously alive.

plus: chaotic it still may be ... but the plot is slowly thickening all over the place. - and ralf is still standing strong right in the middle of it all.

well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hey, mein lieber.</p>
	<p>a slightly wild but enthusiastic compendium of valuable quotes, links and ideas which only prove: zollverein may be dead - but thinking and teaching design thinking is ferociously alive.</p>
	<p>plus: chaotic it still may be &#8230; but the plot is slowly thickening all over the place. - and ralf is still standing strong right in the middle of it all.</p>
	<p>well done.
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Paula Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-496415</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Swore I commented on earlier post. Can't find.

What we need is an open conversation to evolve the thought. For example, all fine for IDEO to support the concepts, but classic example in their earliest book is very 'anti-design-thinking'. They did not reduce the problem before they attempted to solve it and missed the true innovation gap.

I've attempted in my own small way to start local conversations via Design Thinking 2007 conference (model/brand all open source). Good number of people attending didn't understand the value or distinction of the conversation...they're not strategic thinkers. They're decorators, not designers.

Highest uptake on the concepts, business strategists/architects, physicists -- I'd suggest those who understand also to be found in Intelligent Design (core principle, follow the truth wherever it leads) and Complexity. They're both highly exploratory fields.

Natural overlap with Visual Thinking, especially of the variety engaged by Group Partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Swore I commented on earlier post. Can&#8217;t find.</p>
	<p>What we need is an open conversation to evolve the thought. For example, all fine for IDEO to support the concepts, but classic example in their earliest book is very &#8216;anti-design-thinking&#8217;. They did not reduce the problem before they attempted to solve it and missed the true innovation gap.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve attempted in my own small way to start local conversations via Design Thinking 2007 conference (model/brand all open source). Good number of people attending didn&#8217;t understand the value or distinction of the conversation&#8230;they&#8217;re not strategic thinkers. They&#8217;re decorators, not designers.</p>
	<p>Highest uptake on the concepts, business strategists/architects, physicists &#8212; I&#8217;d suggest those who understand also to be found in Intelligent Design (core principle, follow the truth wherever it leads) and Complexity. They&#8217;re both highly exploratory fields.</p>
	<p>Natural overlap with Visual Thinking, especially of the variety engaged by Group Partners.
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 		<title>Comment on Thinking about Design Thinking by: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-496393</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ralf once again, I agree.  I'll be sending along a note soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ralf once again, I agree.  I&#8217;ll be sending along a note soon.
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		<link>http://www.design-management.de/archive/2008/11/thinking-about-design-thinking/#comment-496383</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Also see Ralf&amp;#8217;s insightful posting on some of the stuff we did that week. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Also see Ralf&#8217;s insightful posting on some of the stuff we did that week. [&#8230;]
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